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2 points   posted on 04/24/08
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Oil over inflated by speculators


Should fall drastically as the crooks take profits, and commodity bubble bursts. Dollar rebounding gold and oil down.

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powstreet   69%     1 point   commented 581 days ago reply

Yep here goes oil down!

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allstarinvestor   85%     3 points   commented 568 days ago reply

Eventually Oil will pull back but it is being driven by worldwide demand there are always going to be speculators in any thriving market but that doesnt mean it is the only reason Oil is going up

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abates   N/A     3 points   commented 565 days ago reply

who are the crooks?

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Thomas George    9 %     3 points   commented 564 days ago reply

This article from Seeking Alpha explains the fundamentals driving oil prices -reduced supply at a time when demand is accelerating.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/75550-we-re-nearing-crunch-time-for-oil

A comment by a person named captainbob in the article is useful IMHO.He says
"Speculators only wish they could effect prices:
Only the actual sellers and users set the price of oil which the speculator never "lays hands on" but only bets on how much the seller will have and what the user will be willing to pay for at some future date. That price is known the day the speculators oil contract expires, and he has nothing to say about it--he either wins or loses, depending how close he pitched his penny to the curb.
I'm tired of Pundits, talking heads and even high ranking politicians with their "Show trials" and proclamations of evil price fixers."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/74072-some-aspects-of-the-future-supply-of-middle-eastern-oil

http://seekingalpha.com/article/73534-three-ways-to-profit-from-oil-s-record-highs?source=side_bar_long_ideas

Considering all this I believe the secular bull market in crude oil and other commodities is intact.The dollar rebound can suppress prices for sure if it happens but it is just a buying opportunity if you ask me.

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guliamo   47%     3 points   commented 564 days ago reply

You guys must be kidding... Oil will not drop ion price. Oil will reach $200... so unless you're momentum / day traders I wouldn't speculate on Oil dropping any time soon.

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abates   N/A     3 points   commented 562 days ago reply

I am going to have to side with guilamo on this one, Oil is a pretty important resource with significant demand. I dont know that speculation alone is causing its rise/setting the stage for its fall.

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nextfundmanager   N/A     1 point   commented 558 days ago reply

demand is to strong long term

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allstarinvestor   85%     1 point   commented 556 days ago reply

the commodity bubble may burst but I think it will be other commodities that will be feeling the fall.

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abates   N/A     1 point   commented 549 days ago reply

Since this call was made is seems like oil has shot straight up, so much for the crooks taking profits.

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powstreet   69%     1 point   commented 544 days ago reply

Well i called the short term drop back when it did, and honestly was surprised that the mid term longer trend went the other way. So the short term call proved quite profitable for me, but mid term analysis was wrong. The thing about it is, the demand is inflated and supply is actually more then stated. When you have the media hyping a shot fired on a boat and other hype bs, you keep getting these pops. Its irrational exuberance as its a well known fact, that we can make synthetic oil out of coal for between 55-65 a barrel.

In addition as with the onset of alternatives coming, that should also ease the demand in the mid to longer term. If oil gets to high, it will kill itself no matter peak or not. Lets face it we have the technology to make oil extinct. Using oil at this point for our energy needs is like using a prehistoric club as a hammer. It just a matter of time before real alternatives and supply and distribution chains replace the oil addiction.

Now you here hype about china and India energy needs fueling the spike of oil, but most of what they consume is coal based. The point is, eventually without a cheap energy source to propel the global economy, there will be no growth. All ready we are seeing a shift in energy behavior as oil at 130 is becoming cost prohibitive. So a paradigm shift is under way, in the short term if oil hits 200 i will short the sheeeeeet out of it, because at that point no one will be driving and you might see worldwide protests. The price gets too high no one will buy it, and alternatives will emerge quickly to fill the void.

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jjrbus   N/A     0 point   commented 545 days ago reply

I put my money where my mouth is, I I sold my energy stocks yesterday. I smell a rat in the oil market. 70,000 barrels of biodeisel going to euorpe cause they cant sell it here(shortage, supply?) 6 super tankers setting off Iran full of oil and not moving? How many out there we dont know about? Driving down from 4/7% depending on who you belive, and price goes up, supply and demand, I dont think so. Long term oil is goin up, but now too far too quick!

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jjrbus   N/A     0 point   commented 545 days ago reply

Just found this one, can it be, a real inquirey?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/30/cnoil130.xml

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powstreet   69%     1 point   commented 544 days ago reply

jjrbus crooks but doubt anything will ever come out of these inquiries. Hey do you guys know how to add friends to your social picks network? I dont see a add friend button.

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investmentman   73%     1 point   commented 543 days ago reply

Although it is true that there is speculation similar to the tech bubble, the differentiating factor is that demand for this product is inelastic meaning that supply has little impact on usage of energy. This is why prices react more to short term news than to current supply levels. I believe Oil will continue to go up and it will be an up and down ride to the high price.

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abates   N/A     1 point   commented 540 days ago reply

I doubt we will see riots of the price of oil continues to go up, in America we still pay less that many European countries paid 5 years ago

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traderdrew   51%     1 point   commented 536 days ago reply

In the last 2 trading days we have seen a 3 standard deviation upward movement in Oil I am not sure what this means going forward but at the very least it shows that there are many willing buyers still out there

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allstarinvestor   85%     1 point   commented 531 days ago reply

we keep seeing strong intraday pullbacks followed by run ups... I dont know if its speculators but oil is really whipping around


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