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2 points   posted on 08/08/08
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Recent Stock Ralley is all Smoke and Mirrors


Recently the major indices have been rebounding a decent amount despite the overall economic situtations. Have we hit a bottom, is it time to start backing up the truck to load up on all those now cheap stocks?

Quite frankly it is more than likely that we have only seen a little more then half of the downturn. It is typical of most recessions to take 30% or more off the high, which would put the DJIA at a minimum of 9,996 (using the 52 wk high of 14,280) before we could expect a recovery.

Another factor to take in to consideration is the high rates of inflation, pair with the stagnet growth, the all popular buzz word of stagflation. Right now we have seen a short term relief from the commodities bubble falling, however this can only fuel the stocks for so long. It looks as if oil will bottom out at possibly 110-100 range before consolidating and then possibly rising again. As for other commodities, agriculture in general is still on the rise.

Finally we have not seen the worst of the financials yet. There is still a ton of toxic assets that will be further written down as housing prices continue to fall. The housing sector will take a while to recover and with less equity for consumers to pull from, consumer spending will steadily decrease. There is still a pletheria of sectors that have not fully felt the effect of this down turn due to many lagging factors, but that does not mean we are going to avoid it.

Although I could be wrong and we might miraculously enter another bull market, the chances are slim, and at best we will enter a long period of flat to sligthly negative stock movement. My suggestion is go short on the finacial sectors in general, SKF (ultra short financials) is a good play or move you money out to cash or bonds.

Please add you opinions and insights if you have any.

Best luck with your investments,
Styex

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fas831   28%     1 point   commented 477 days ago reply

what is your take on buying these cheap stocks and continue to buy them even if they are on their way down...dollar cost investing ...im not saying buy all the cheap stocks but the ones that we know will continue to do well in the future..things with wide moats and alot of cash flow...things like PG or PFE or GE

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Walter Thatcher   74%     1 point   commented 477 days ago reply

I agree that this is a sucker rally. I'm going to raise cash and look to pick up some of the commodity names at lower prices. Some of the big cap miners and integrated oil and gas stocks are selling at single-digit P/Es. I think that they'll get substantially cheaper.

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styex   69%     1 point   commented 473 days ago reply

Large cap, well established companies like GE, P&G, and even some of the large Miners are all great LONG term plays, however right now I would be very very hawkish about placing any money in to a stock unless your comfortable just buying and forgetting about it for 3yrs+.

Although a lot of stock look extremely cheap, you have to realize that during econmic recession not only do earnings drop, thus increase the P/E if the stock holds constant, but expectations as well drop. For instance buying a stock like Drys which is trading at around 4-5x its PE when historically it has traded at 10-12x might look like a complete steal. However you have to realize during bull markets people are willing to pay more and will not only pay higher prices for the stock but accept higher P/E's. It would not surprise me if the new sector average would fall to 4-6x P/E.

Remember the stock market can be a highly fickle and irrational thing. Pretty much equate short term investing to a 13yr old girl, you have no clue what she/it is going to do, but in the long run it returns to the mean.

Right now is still not the best time to invest as it is definately not a bottom. There are way too many skeletons in the closet and once oil finishes retraction, there will be no good news left to fuel this recent ralley. Save up and in about a 1 1/2 to 2 years there will be a real potential to get some cheap stocks. Patience and time is your best friends when it comes to investing, that and the occasion bottle of scotch to keep you sane.


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